Agreed. Recently I did a test. Faster bullets are generally more reliable for downrange shooting because they dont drop nearly as much. I know better than that. 45cals are GREAT and so are 9mm, but If you Hit a ATTACKER IN the NECK or CHEST with a 9mm he is not going to say, "It's only a 9mm let me finish attacking this person". The .40's heavier bullet means that when fired, it has a little slower velocity. Great piece. Whatever you repeat thousands of times will be available for use. In most cases, the larger the bullet you have, the slower the velocity. Loads and bullet design are next factored into specific use, it is the icing on the cake to select a velocity to maximize that use. Grip safety with chambered indicator. Firing one of my rifles indoors would mean likely permanent hearing damage and a bullet ripping through my exterior walls at high velocity. Now I am a range officer and shoot concealed carry and IDPA style matches regularly. Its the perfect grab-and-go handgun to fire in close quarters where recoil wont pose such a problem. . Personalize your experience. 3. This debate of 9 versus 45 just comes down to personal choice with today's ammo. We all know by now of Mr. Schumacher's killing of a large bear with a 9mm. Terminal ballistics are not adequately covered. Official websites use .gov The link is entitled to be wrong lol, the capacity of 9mm the distance and all is great . The 9mm was developed by Georg Luger in 1901, who based it upon his earlier 7.6521mm Parabellum. Europeans don't understand that the Democrats would introduce more gun control, and the Republicans fight against that; that there are both a pro-gun lobby and an anti-gun lobby. A miss with a .454 will not help you bring that charging animal down. FBI dropped 0.40 not because 9mm comes even close to it just affirmative action that's all it is. Time matters. The one that works best for you is the best choice. Do you want to be shooting a bullet likely to go through a wall or a car door killing or maiming an innocent bystander? The following data is sourced from Ballistics by the Inch. My 9mm compact carry S&W Shield semi-auto has a ported barrel. "The Judge". FNX 45 T is my bedstand gun with 15 +1, RMR and 1000 lumen Surefire. Who are we? FMJ loads offer a rigid design for smooth penetration that doesn't deform on impact. It also delivers additional felt recoil and comes with slightly higher recoil velocity. FWIW, I find the 45 recoil is "smoother", whereas 9 & 40 seem to be "sharper", making the muzzle flip harder to recover from. I've modified the trigger pull on mine a bit. Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? What exactly will 50 feet per second actually do for self defense reasons? The FBI and the armys surgeon General have done extensive data gathering. In this situation, youll be glad that you have the faster follow-up speed and a larger magazine capacity of 9mm. Funny thing though, the administrators weren't the ones facing the enemy and while the 38LC was easy to shoot (basically a 9mm Luger ballistic wise), it did not stop determined attackers so the Army re-issued the 45 Long Colt. The cartridge is, without a doubt, the most . But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. You can not spell and have no idea what punctuation is. While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal slower bullet drop. The true stopping power goes to the 45 acp (I.e. heyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. All the rest, including +p loads, came in under that number. We switched to Sigs P226 which was wonderful, but accuracy dropped. When discussing the FBI and their conclusion that agents shoot better with the 9 mm, all I can say is look at their shooters. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. Compared to the pistol, the average carbine-fired hollowpoint produced slightly less penetration and had a slightly smaller recovered diameter. We are now restricted to 10 or less rounds in the mag here in Washington State. Or does it take a .500 Smith? First of all, a higher muzzle velocity will mean a straighter trajectory down range. Nothing against the 9mm, I own several, for the range, not for carry. So what if they are on the opposite side of a wall? You are welcome to your opinions, but the facts are indisputable. I had thousands .45 230 grains hardball and some +Ps hallow points with my standard 1911 when I tested my friend's full size 9mm. One shot one kill at 30. The fastest muzzle velocity of a commercially produced round comes from .220 Swift and it was clocked in at 4,665 fps. But I think 9 millimeter Luger is a better carbine round over .45 Auto. The Wild Bill Hickok method of gun fighting: rapidly draw your gun, calmly stand your ground, carefully aim and press the trigger, observe the target fall, holster your gun, turnaround and walk away. Now a .44 magnum round to the arm or leg? Ask yourself - if you had to be shot once and you got a choice of caliber, would you choose 9mm or 45? According to Newtons famous law of equal and opposite reactions, if the bullet is leaving the projectile at a higher speed (which means higher energy), the kick of your rifle against your shoulder or a pistol against your hand will be harder. Whatever floats your boat. As a Patrol Officer I have seen both in action in the real world, not the bull crap settings of a test range. In addition to this, the lower recoil, less wear, cheaper ammunition and higher capacity were all reasons that the report cited for the recent surge in orders of the ammunition from various police agencies. Ok, Id agree thats a pretty reasoned response - its a complex issue (eg. Both kills, but one kills instantly, the other allows for return fire from your attacker. I prefer the 45 ever since the military i jus had a thing for the 45 acp although I do own a couple few 9mm's and have favorite pistols in that caliber also love my custom 17. I dont understand why a situation in a street would be different than at home. 9mm: FMJTC: 124: 396: 1200.38: SJSP: 125: 261: 970: As we can see from the charts above, the 9mm at double the pressure, translates to near double the amount of muzzle energy . When I was taking a defensive hand gun course( took it multiple times ) at Front site all of my instructors had 45's. And you are citing nothing but your feelings ! This is criminal. The average civilian self defense shooting ends on average between 2-4 rounds. Very informative article! The switched to the 45 because they needed something that transferred more energy to the target to knock them down. I'm going with the 45 because I'm also getting a Henry lever action rifle to match it. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. I carry and would defend my life with 9mm round. As one coroner I heard from said, he's never seen a .357 Magnum leave a body and he's never seen a .44 Magnum stay in one. In my experience the 9 millimeter is effective to about 110 yards and semi effective beyond that. The 9mms lower cost and recoil make it an even more attractive solution for effective self-defense. Pansies . We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. I had the only 45. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. Hot stuff. I also like 9 millimeter Luger as an alternative long gun round over .22 Long Rifle as recoil sensitive people can shoot this and do more damage. Even if you think size > capacity or more bullets is better, you have to admit having bigger bulletsand having more bullets on tap are both worthy considerations when choosing one gun over the other. Just for amusement value (not scientific) I once fired a glock 17 with a fmj 115 gr bullet into a ten inch square creosoted fence post. I should know because I get all the girls. Yeah, dude doesn't have a usable arm or leg anymore. ), .357 SIG (526 ft. So the only real advantage 45 has is being inherently subsonic. or 38 & 45 both. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Either one will do the Trick unless it happens to be a VERY RARE ATTACKER who has a super tolerance for pain & Blood loss or is on some kind of super man DRUG!! When I was in we still carried the Colt 1911 .45. Which is best? (To be fair, felt recoil is more directly connected to muzzle energy, not velocity, but velocity will impact energy.) I take my Colt Gold Cup in .45ACP any day over a typical 9mm pistol. That's more foolishness. Just a thought. The real reason why the FBI switched from 40 to 9mm is the same reason they switched for 10mm to 40, most cant handle the recoil and they dont pass the required score in the firing tests, same for civilians they cant handle the recoil, they groups are horrible then blame the caliber instead stop eating bacon and improve they fitness condition. This really isn't the place for an in depth spiritual discussion, but your comment was interesting. Yes! This article is biased toward 9mm anyway. I mean, the FBI testing protocol is just like Mil-Specit sounds cool til you actually know what it is. When you have an over penetration or miss, which is likely in an adrenaline filled situation. You DO have to have the spray handy though. This can be accomplished two ways. Additionally, the length of the barrel used in testing can have a major impact in the results. The 9x19mm allows you to make more holes, from a standard pistol, than a .45 caliber pistol [albeit only 2-4 more rounds in the 9mm]. And because 9mm ammo is so relatively inexpensive, it permits its shooter to practice longer and more often. Shot placement will be your main concern with any bear. ". Karl, youve clearly done no ballistics research and are relying entirely on anecdotes and your own experience. A heavy bullet going slow with the same energy as a light bullet going fast will transfer energy to the target better, but won't penetrate as well. Let me know in the comments below! Yeah its not close because its way higher moron. If you looking for a slugger for something like car defense or home defense. That would be like using some of the retail 10mm ammo that is similar to regular 40s. BE SAFE!! LEOs average 20-30% hits in a gunfight. The U.S. Army eventually switched over to theSig Sauer P320but theyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Perhaps favoring the .45? Skeet shooting and duck hunting are his all-time favorite hobbies, but he's more than ready to talk your ear off about collecting and sport shooting as well. Some people carry a 124gr for summer and 147gr in cold climates where the BG might be wearing a Carhartt over sweaters, etc. It is a dangerous world, much more than most believe. Everything is a compromise. Everyone I know who carries a 9 mm including most LE officers use +P ammo. They took refuge in some kind of small room with a door on it. The object then becomes to stop your adversary from firing bullets at you. My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns, so I might buy a silencer for it if this will let me buy a gun for myself without him complaining about its sounds when I'm training. * Universal availability or AMMO--actually should be #1 !! Aww we got a glock hater. 50%? Over penetration matters in public too. Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. (Here are more tips on how to shoot more accurately.). Two were head shots. The __qca cookie is associated with Quantcast. This is where you don't want to spray yourself. Even if your bullet is only traveling an inch, it will lose velocity, as air drag is steadily wearing down momentum. We all know the answer. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. Wish you had more ammo brands like in the 45 acp test you did. 100% agree. While it cannot be argued that Americans did not single-handedly win the war or that we contributed the most warfighters or took the most losses, it is also safe to say that without American intervention it is entirely probable that the UK would have fallen and the USSR would not have been able to push the Germans back. All the comments are great. If youre firing 9mm ammo with a pistol caliber carbine, expect to get another 5-10% velocity out of your ammo. Thats likely more distance than youll need for self-defense. The 9mm is super small and light weight (about 16oz empty) and the 1911 weighs almost twice that. Believe it or not, hours of chronograph work and loading magazines can get exhausting. And, lighter projectiles shed velocity faster than heavier projectiles. Even the FBI report states that 9mm makes it easier for their agents to qualify. You say that a 9mm has more penetration than a 45. I couldn't decide, so I bought (built actually)BOTH! I once read an account by someone who shot an intruder at close range with a shotgun. When comparing the Glock compacts in both calibers, the 9MM was less bulky, lighter, and easier to conceal. In addition to firearms-related work, Josh enjoys working with animals and researching conservation projects in his home state of Michigan. This far Left, anti-gun rights organization slants and grossly misrepresents events by omitting vital information from their "articles" and adding bald faced lies. How about because one half of the world isn't ruled by a racist fascist psychopathic government that's completely ok with genocide. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. Fortunate enough to equip your firearm with a suppressor? My original TL is credited with 30-40 at Son Tay. One thing I do like about 9mm ammo that wasn't mentioned is the weight especially in bulk. I currently carry a .40 s&w. The FBI report made it clear that the more consistent accuracy of 9mm in the hands of their less experienced shooters was a factor in their returning to 9mm as their standard handgun caliber. Plus they have extended mags of many sizes Or back the other way, you can run 9mm NATO, +P adn all of that song and dance. First take notice that the 9mm Luger 115 gr FMJ (Blue and Black Lines on graph) drops at a much faster rate then the .40 S&W 135 gr FMJ (Red and Teal Lines on graph . Different strokes for different folks. Their testing shows some bullets speed up and slow down and speed up and so on, as they travel up the barrel. I have both 9mm & 45. Im a little bit late to the party, but thanks for this. We really have the best there can be in terms of equipment so learning to employ them is the big issue other than defense against democrats. I would want to be shot by the round with less penetration and less muzzle energy, 45ACP, because I have a greater chance of surviving - not that my odds are good either way. In the end, I would rather have a 6+1 which I knew how to shoot well than a 15 rounder I couldn't. A couple of days ago I went out to my hunting property to shoot something more than paper targets and compare the rounds. I did the math wrong in my first comment and thought the 230gr was significantly more total energy . Watch key board warriors loose their mind. While modern ammo allows a 9mm to reliable penetrate sufficiently and expand to over .6, the 45 can now reliably penetrate sufficiently and expand to over 3/4 of an inch. When I really want to do some damage my S&W Govt. In this case, the 9mm has a velocity of 1,150 feet-per-second (fps), while the larger .40-caliber bullet leaves the barrel at 919 fps. For example, American Eagle makes 9mm full-metal jacket rounds with 115-grain bullets and 147-grain bullets. I hear you. Even on the Eastern front, a large part of how the USSR was able to keep fighting was because of American lend-lease. I shoot the 1911 platform better than any semi auto or revolver Ive ever shot. Heavier projectiles shed their kinetic energy more quickly than heavier projectiles. Center mass Shot placement. They need to check the real world outcomes. You end up with the same energy as a .223/5.56 but with less risk of over penetration , which is great for a situation like home defense when you cant always know whats on the other side of the wall. .45. I will always favor 45 Acp over 9mm. Like V8 vs turbo 4 vs supercharged vs NA. Today it sends your readers to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence." ), .45 ACP (447 ft. by the FBI, the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: LEOs have a 20% to 30% accuracy rate in shootouts, so magazine capacity is important. Not saying I could do any better but figured it would be closer to 50%. Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. Hi John, I enjoyed your comments. I may not always be there. disagree with your conceal ability statement, sorry. Not me. Youre alluding to it but youve cited nothing It didnt take much to convince me. 26+1 rounds of 45 in a 5 pound package with little to no recoil? Any 9mm up to 147 will increase all the way up to 17 none increase beyond that. If, as this data suggests, the external ballistics are practically negligible, then I can feel confident that Id be better served by getting the model with the best retention holster optionsRead more . any bullet that passes through the body only delivers 10% to 20% of energy to the body, like the hot 9mm that are famous for over penetrating human targets, not jello it is ENERGY that is stopping power. Let me start out by saying that the biggest mistake that most people make is taking a black-and-white stance on the .45 ACP and 9mm. Americans don't care what Europeans think. I think there was a fundamental mistake about over penetration in this article. Case closed. We already have an account registered for email address He had a friend that was teaching me to shoot at a campgrounds we used to visit each weekend. The same size 9mm semi auto usually holds more rounds (often 15+1) than a 45. Here is what an okd timer officer wrote about the subject. The truth is both velocity and mass increase penetration just as both increase energy, but this is what we have to realize. Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely canceled out in some states due to magazine restrictions. http://www.ballistics101.com/45_acp.php COOL STUFF : 25 ACP 32 ACP 327 Magnum 380 ACP 9mm Luger 357 Magnum 357 SIG 38 Special 38 Super 40 S&W 10mm Auto: 41 Magnum 44 Magnum 44 Special 45 ACP 45 GAP 45 Colt 454 Casull 460 Magnum 480 Ruger . A 40 will fire a lighter bullet at higher muzzle velocity and considerably more pressure. I bet if a poll was done on best semi auto handguns glock would win by a landslide, H&K by far . I went to a self defense class with 12 people, all with 9mm. Thats what I carry now.Always will.When that loud bitch goes off it gets everyones attention..especially the turd youre trying to ghost. Go out and shoot some pumpkins, you will see the massive difference between 45 and 9mm. Done talking with someone who refuses to educate themselves. I started my handgun experience as a .40 cal guy. Click below for a FREE LESSON! Do your research. Also I am comparing velocities from a handgun & rifle with the same round & results are eye opening. Best thing to do before buying, in my opinion, Equipped with a suppressor, they make ideal home defense weapons and they are less likely to over-penetrate. The extension mag wrapped allows for a 'golf grip' & more leverage to handle recoil. If you want to stop a varmint, use the largest projectile feasible. Abstract It also has a wide selection of ammunition types. First to mention, we are limited to FMJ rounds, no HP no JHP, just plain FMJ. My non-silenced weapons are 9mm my silenced weapons are .45. Critical duty allows barrier penetration. My wife was a Harville from Alabama. Velocity: 1,181 ft/s. I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. with your statement 9mm has less recoil. 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