Nina Baym. Coming After. Courtesy of Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. There are passing moments that neednt be dwelled upon, but if youre going to go to war against a couple of countries, I think you merit an accusation of doing just that. In the Pines, Montreal: Club Roll, 2012. I. NOTLEY, Alice. At a certain point I wrote them down every morning; sometimes I do it more than others. Do you remember when he wrote the second The Circus? I had met him in 1969, then we stayed friends. NOTLEY, Alice. Everyone who went there was either black or Hispanic. Alice Notley (born November 8, 1945) is an American poet. An introduction to one ofthe most lasting styles of mid-century American poetry. Then he writes poetry in the variable foot which is a huge influence on my later work. NOTLEY, Alice. In Notley's epic poem, The Descent of Alette, form takes many shapes. Indeed, French poetry has had some weird times, where it got so abstract. Ive written so much in my life that Ive become able to control it all; and when it feels like Im letting go, Im not. Shes made few changes to her approach to the work. They really like The Descent of Alette, because its like a video game. Courtesy of Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. The first workshop that I taught was a crucial one for that generation actually. The conjunctions are the most mysterious places in Johns work. If not, boo hoo. But people often say that Marianne Moore writes with the whole sentence. Notley remained fairly prolific during this era, writing and publishing several full-length collections. I grew up among Native Americans. Alice Notley: That's the future. Those are the ones Im working on right now, which have to do with my poetry of the moment. There was a tribe in my home town, the Mojaves. There are others over there. 91DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. I am tempted to treat the quotation marks between phrases as breath-markers like on a musical score. One of her main currents of experimentation has revolved around the search for a feminine epic, one that could serve as an alternative to the male stories that have dominated the history of poetry since Homer. DR: Well I think of Williams as a kind of Calder mobile waiting to enter into movement. But I met himI met everybodyaround 1968. That's the future, babe. Notley citesin parta reading by Robert Creeley as early inspiration for her writing more poetry. It emasculates her. That particular poem is in your selected poems, in, , and it was presented upright on the page, but it was published in a review called. The book took its title from the address of their home on Long Island and was published by Berrigan's C Press. David Reckford, Interview of Alice Notley,Transatlantica [En ligne], 1|2019, mis en ligne le 01 juin 2020, consult le 01 mars 2023. Automatically inside their apartment, you don't have. I thought that they were voices of dead French people, but they just came from everywhere; the voices came for that poem. There were various famous people now that were in it like Susie Timmons. Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems. 100DR: What do you think of Gertrude Stein and of the kind of permutations she does: almost like rolling things around in your mouth? 1Alice Notley is a major American poet of our day, who has been living in Paris since the early 1990s, when she moved there with her second husband, the English poet, Doug Oliver (1937-2000), because Paris was where his professorial career was taking him. Her work is various, spontaneous, and increasingly mythological. In 1972, Berrigan and Notley married and moved to Chicago, where they lived until 1976. Theres no garbage. I learned everything from the variable foot from Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.. Alice Notley is an extraordinary reader of her own work, which, in the last year, she has read in the U.S.A. (Providence, R.I., and Brooklyn, N.Y.), in the U.K. (Birmingham), and in France (The Pompidou Center, Paris). She is the author of more than thirty-five books of poetry, including Mysteries of Small Houses (Penguin, 1998, winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize and a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize); Disobedience (Penguin, 2001, winner of the Griffin Prize); and Grave of Light: New and Selected Poems 1970-2005, which received the Lenore Marshall 123AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called Coming After (2005), and I have essays in it about her and Joanne Kyger, Ted Berrigan, Lorenzo Thomas, Frank OHara, and some others. 59DR: With your interpolation of popular culture into epic poetry, I would expect you to be a household name here in France. (1954): that book is fantastic; he caught the new line, which he refers to in one of his letters. About two-thirds of the way through the book theres a dream that has to do with a poet that has written a poem called disobedience: the poet was Kenneth in the dream, but, such is dream logic, it was really me. 26DR: In her Paris Review interview (2015) she says that she learned from John Ashbery never to complete a thought, which is a rich idea. For instance this collage that you put on the cover of Grave of Light. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Robert Haas, Guest Editor. Notleys ceaseless productivity hints at a method counter to the heavy emphasis on, and even fetishization of, craft that forms the cornerstone of poetrys increasing professionalization. McKinley. Join now Sign in . She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. 90AN: Virgil was just this poet and he had to contend with Augustus Caesar. . Referring back to her writing in the 1970s in an interview with the Ampersand Review, Notley says she felt she was the only poet I knew of who used the details of pregnancy and motherhood as a direct, pervading subject in poems, on a daily basis, as if it were true that half the people in the world gave birth to others and everyone had been born. Poems from this time include Clinical Thermometer Set with Moonstone and How Spring Comes. I was wondering if your poems that address completely despicable people might be a case of carrying the enemy on the shoulder. 10When I was a young poet, I couldnt figure out what to title anything, and I discussed this with Ted, who said: You should write to Ron Padgett and get a list of titles, which I did; he just made up all these titles for me. The same style extends to other poems from this time period, such as White Phosphorus. When he died in 2000, Alice Notley was sufficiently settled into Paris to remain there. DR: In that book, the heroine is a true medium who can look at someones face and know things, and at the end she is taken off to the asylum; Andr Breton then rails for two pages about how misguided asylums are, which makes your collage seem to be broaching the question of clairvoyance in terms of surrealistic, poetic culture. Peggy went to work at two jobs for ever; then there was a point where Johnny, the youngest, had to leave home, and she had a nervous breakdown, which was when I met her. By Alice Notley. Est construido en ambas orillas del ro Nore. One is making them, conscious. Shehad two sons with him, the poets Edmund and Anselm Berrigan. Produced by Curtis Fox. But I met himI met everybodyaround 1968. Poetry itself can be thought of as that which comes from afar. Notley is often categorized as a poet of the second generation of the New York School, along with writers such as Eileen Myles and Anne Waldman. Notley was born on November 8, 1945 in Bisbee, Arizona and grew up in Needles, California. Ive always taken up that ambient context in my poems. Norton Anthology of American Literature, Fifth edition, vol.2. Its possible Im living in the apartment of someone who was taken away to the camps. Like somebody live in some city. 12DR: Thats what Ted Berrigan was about: taking things from here and there, picking them up, and making them his own. Hastings: Reality Street, 1976. Its deliberate, in order to find something out. A passage from For the Ride (2020), by Alice Notley. Andrew Whiteman and Ariel Engle, whove done something mesmerizing; also, my son Eddie is both a poet and an indie musician: I know about some indie people from about 2000, not so much after that. Like the Hollywood marriage in this poem, Notley and Berrigans creative partnership was loving, mutually enriching, and, as she shows us here, a bit magical. doing here? I just sat down and replied, Im a widow; Ive got two children; I know its been a year and a half since my husband died; Im trying to stay at home as much as I can and I have a part-time job (I was working for Allen Ginsberg at the time). Indeed, you are often spoken about as an engaged poet, like your late husband, Doug Oliver. Then I figured out how to write them, so they enter the text. In reframing and re-empowing Dido and Medea, she is writing a meditation on destruction. 110AN: I wouldnt be able to take the journey if I couldnt hear the poem thats all based on folk songs and not those lines, but I was writing In the Pines while I was doing the Hepatitis C treatment, where the drugs would depress you, but once a week you would have to take a shot which, they didnt tell you, would get you high for a half hour before you got sick. 64AN: He was a good friend. I havent changed much since I first began writing: Twitter, Dsamre. She has lived most extensively in Needles, in New York, and since 1992 in Paris, France. I didnt know any French; I had no French when I came here, basically, in my late forties. I dreamed about the children afterwards, you know, there were children being chased in this building. Have you read that book? NOTLEY, Alice. Actually, when I read, , high-school students get similarly entranced. 32That gives you a sense of the sound. London: B.T. I think all poets do that; its also something out of the tradition of folk music. Notleys latest collection, For the Ride, a sprawling book-length poem, continues her trajectory into the unknown: anything happens here / in the magic of ones chaos. With its mess of divergent voices, picture-poems, and eccentric locutions, the result is baffling, beautiful, and always fascinatingly Notley. Recent books continue to be at least somewhat character centered. NOTLEY, Alice. I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. I think that is what she said, because her greatest influence was Henry James: she takes his sense of the sentence and turns it into those stanzas. 99AN: Frank caught how great Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems (1962) was. In the mixed abstractions of a mid-eighties poem called Congratulating Wedge, Notley turns instability into strength: Im ashamed to keep on babblingas if Ive always been oneself,diamond flow through. Jobs People Learning Dismiss Dismiss. All rights reserved. 15AN: Yes and a certain way of being cocky, which was very Irish, you know, a certain way of being witty, sort of a blunt kind of wittiness. The first time I went there I was completely humiliated by the people working there. New York: Columbia Records, 1989. New York: Penguin, 1996. Perhaps the greatest OHara disciple in this sense is the poet Alice Notley, who, in the course of forty-plus years and forty-plus books, has repeatedly cited OHara as an influence while following her own unconventional path. When I read The Descent of Alette I am tempted to treat the quotation marks between phrases as breath-markers like on a musical score. First, the way the fan that tapers at the top disorients the view, because the fan is supposed to open up, not reduce. Whether it's an object or a person, the over-accentuation of gender in relation to form allows for the. Light as airmail paper away she flew. Her last collection, Mysteries of Small Houses, was a finalist for both the Pulitzer Prize in poetry and the Los Angeles Times Book Prize. Notley has stayed very involved in the preservation of both Berrigan and Oliver's works, having edited and written introductions for a number of their books and she continues to be a prolific and powerful force in contemporary poetry, winning the Leonore Marshall Poetry Prize in 2007 and the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize in 2015. Notley has remained in Paris but makes several trips to the United States each year to give readings and teach small workshops. Notley claims it was boring and returned to Iowa City where she met the poet Ted Berrigan who began as an instructor at the school that fall. MYLES, Eileen. , Wesleyan University Press, 2006 (p.292-293), reproduced with permission of the author. She was the only woman in her genre and one of two in the entire graduate writing department. It always felt to me like I was enacting ideas that visual artists had normally, that I was figuring it out. Notley's work is famously heterogeneous, but it's possible to see a gradual. 22DR: Like Ted Berrigan and Anne Waldman reading at Saint Marks church their collaborative poem, Memorial Day (May 6, 1971), that episode of Public Access Television, June 16, 1977, where you and Eileen Myles read together must count among the great New York School moments still on record. Notley edited seven of the issues with Berrigan taking over one while Notley was pregnant with their first son. I would give a task often based on traditional forms, or I would get an idea for a subject; and sometimes I used Kenneths books, because he was writing all those books then about teaching in nursing homes and to groups of small children. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. Ones not overshadowed like in forests elsewhere, but its particularly harsh, and hot: the Mojave goes up to 120-125 [Fahrenheit], sometimes. (1976). We were all born in 1945, and despite a certain competitiveness at first, became good friends. His poems are totally him; his voice is unique; his sensibility is unique; and he was always basing it on something else; he wanted to be like Frank [OHara] intensely, but there was no way he could be like Frank. They ran away into abstract poetry: that makes a lot of sense to me. 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AN: Its not a dance; its a pattern of sounds: its in my voice which I think is sometimes better than singing, when I say the poems. Also, just before leaving New York, she realized the ambition of writing a feminist epic in a book-length poem, The Descent of Alette (1996). Descent would grow to be Notley's most widely read and taught collection after its reprinting by Penguin in 1996. Can we talk a little bit about the pop culture that figures in your work? 13AN: He had no trust in his own ability to write things out, while he had faith in his ability to find things. In response, another woman informs: "'he . When I was writing such pieces and reading them they changed a lot; but it was about trying to get how the mind works, which meant I was writing generally as fast as I could while still keeping self-control, which is why I allowed all these part-words to come in. Its more like a pause between metrical feet. . [6], While in Chicago, Notley started publishing her magazine Chicago, a legal-sized mimeograph publication which would continue through both her pregnancies and even her relocation to England. And they participated, when they lived in Prescott, AZ, in an organization which did Native American Dances every year, called The Smoki, which my father was in, and which had been instituted by the businessmen in Prescott in the 1930s. I applied pressure so that the brokenness would have the shape I wanted; then I think I made the back part separately and decided to glue the fan on it. Alice Notley on her life with Ted Berrigan. Need a transcript of this episode? DR: Your attitude towards staleness in the academic world, your sensitivity towards these questions of history and politics, indeed your measure and courage for speaking out reminds me of one first-generation New York School poet in particular, Kenneth Koch. Your brain becomes taffy. Notleys language is, as ever, mystifying: in lines fluid yet clipped, interior yet discursive, she turns the idea of independence inside out to discover its seams. In a poem from the seventies, Notley mocks the downtown sensibility of the time with an older male poets rant: No women poets are any / good, if you want it / Straight, because they dont handle money.. And its influenced by dactylic hexameter. This independence is radical in a climate in which poets, searching for success, can feel pressured to build a brand, create a strong social-media presence, and write books with conceits that can be summarized in a sentence or two. NOTLEY, Alice. In fact, he had a whole career as a journalist, and knew how to research, to inform his opinions, and to look at events without a preexisting opinion: thus, I learned how to do that from him, though I find that few today are so intellectually honest. For example my poem In the Pines has been set to music by AroarA, who are two members of the Canadian, indie group, Broken Social Scene, Andrew Whiteman and Ariel Engle, whove done something mesmerizing; also, my son Eddie is both a poet and an indie musician: I know about some indie people from about 2000, not so much after that. NOTLEY, Alice. I had met him in 1969, then we stayed friends. 121AN: No, never: when I address enemies, I am not carrying them on my shoulder; Im being intensely annoyed by them. If we compare them with painting, they work like the zips in Newmans painting. Born: Bisbee, Arizona, 8 November 1945. Over the course of her career, Alice Notley has achieved something astounding: each of her nearly 30 books is different from the last one yet unmistakably hers. In 1992, Notley moved to Paris with her second husband, the British poet and novelist Douglas Oliver (19372000), whom she met while living in England in 1974. And theres a poem called This Kind of Paradise (1986) where the Hopis suddenly appear in a bureaucratic Food Stamps Office. I made this in about 2005. 42AN: We were all doing them. Miles Davis live at Birdland or something. But Notley, never one to be pinned down, has continued to push poetrys formal constraints, and this pursuit has led her far away from portraits of domestic life. 17AN: Yes, they were the two Irish of the set. Logic AN: That was below that bed: the voices were calling to me from below the bed. MYLES, Eileen. BAYM, Nina. 83DR: Yes, right, on one level, shall we say? AroarA. Somewhere, I have a photo of my father with a snake in his mouth and every year that he did it, he got a little tattoo of a star on his hand; and my mother danced the year she was pregnant with me the Hopi Corn Maidens Dance, and she taught me the song later, and my father taught me the chant for the Apache Dog Dance. First, the way the fan that tapers at the top disorients the view, because the fan is supposed to open up, not reduce. West Branch, Iowa: Toothpaste Press, 1981. because theres something resembling skulls going on here with the top of the fan supports. How do we make sense of ourselves in relation to huge abstract institutions such as democracy, the state, and marriage? , Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. She has received the Griffin Poetry Prize, the Los Angeles Times Book Award for poetry, and an Academy Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. Courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. New York: Granary Books, 2006. Her search culminated in The Descent of Alette (1992), a book-length poem that tells the story of a woman questing through a sinister subway underworld. Ones not overshadowed like in forests elsewhere, but its particularly harsh, and hot: the Mojave goes up to 120-125 [Fahrenheit], sometimes. She has also been a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. AN: I dont remember that poem, Syringa, but John tends to pick things out: he used to keep lists of his titles and then he would decide to write the poem of that title. There was a black woman at a desk when I went in who said, What are you doing here? I just sat down and replied, Im a widow; Ive got two children; I know its been a year and a half since my husband died; Im trying to stay at home as much as I can and I have a part-time job (I was working for Allen Ginsberg at the time). And theres a poem called This Kind of Paradise (1986) where the Hopis suddenly appear in a bureaucratic Food Stamps Office. Im working on arcane things at the moment which I find hard to talk about. Theyre beautiful. Alice Notley is a major American poet of our day, who has been living in Paris since the early 1990s, when she moved there with her second husband, the English poet, Doug Oliver (1937-2000), because Paris was where his professorial career was taking him. I made this in about 2005. damn whether they eat or not. New York: TPR. She received a BA from Barnard College in 1967, and an MFA from the the Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1969. , Fifth edition, vol.2. (1986). 98DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. Among her two newest volumes are Eurynomes Sandals (Presses Universitaires de Rouen, 2019) and For the Ride (Penguin Books, 2020). 120DR: He was deeply inspired by the Hindu tradition, which was brave and opens the culture up. Notley was born in Arizona and grew up in Needles, California. Breaking Down Tracy K. Smiths Poem Solstice, Jia Tolentino on poetry as a refuge, and finding meaning in Tracy K. Smiths Solstice.. She is, to borrow the title from her 2011 collection, a culture of onea singular voice and the medium of many. AN: Yes and a certain way of being cocky, which was very Irish, you know, a certain way of being witty, sort of a blunt kind of wittiness. Then I figured out how to write them, so they enter the text. The Goddess Who Created This Passing World I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. Thats what Ive done ever since in different ways. I certainly wouldve used anything to keep from being sent. 20DR: Eileen Myles is another poet who comes from an Irish, working-class, New England background and lost her father. The Art of Poetry: John Ashbery. Ed. French poetry was aimless, became philosophical, though now there are some younger poets that are starting to put the concrete back in, but slowly; I discussed it with French poets a few years ago, who confirmed for me that French poetry became abstract out of trauma from World War II, the occupation, and everything, authors being too traumatized to speak concretely. 47DR: Its incredible because, I just re-read Nadja recently. DR: Its also what Andr Breton mentions, in his book. AN: When its around me, I take it in. In an important essay titled The Poetics of Disobedience, Notley says this shift began with her book The Descent of Alette (1992). 1967; University of Iowa, Iowa City, M.F.A . Notley. All the political problems are based in history. The designer of the cover made an extract basically, making it wrap around the book cover, which was an attractive idea. Aeneas founded a city, Rome. 58AN: I actually listened to Monteverdi to get the cadences that were before The Descent of Alette: particularly in White Phosphorus (1988) and at the end of Beginning with a Stain (1987). He could write any time he wanted to; Im like that too. In 1986, Notley led a workshop where participants were required to write an entire book during the course of their meetings. AN: I wouldnt be able to take the journey if I couldnt hear the poem thats all based on folk songs and not those lines, but I was writing In the Pines while I was doing the Hepatitis C treatment, where the drugs would depress you, but once a week you would have to take a shot which, they didnt tell you, would get you high for a half hour before you got sick. 23AN: We were children then, basically. 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